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opera 9.5 = shit

admin — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:45:25 +0000

i blame user error. either that or piracy. i think that’s the only options, he’s an idiot or a thief.

(just kidding)
While I won’t outright condemn it as shit (I like a lot of things about it) I’ve been having problems with it too. Crazy memory usage, pages not loading (get stuck on "downloading document"), and pages getting stuck in the middle of loading.

Ideas, suggestions?

irony

it is good to see you staying open minded.

Joke of the week!

open your miiiiind, potty. open your miiiiiind.

My biggest issues with it are as follows:
1. Getting errors when attempting to download files from BlackBoard (school site)

2. Some site’s cookies are not deleted upon close while others that I wanted to keep and had previous to launching Opera are deleted. I know same may say user error but I cleared all cookies, went to the sites I wanted to keep the cookies from and closed the program. Then I reopen the prog and tell it to delete new cookies upon close. I have gone through each site’s individual preferences and see no reason for this annoyance and it is only on some sites.

3. Having to tell it to represent itself as IE when I could just use IE.

But there are quite a few nice things about it, I’m not sure yet whether I will continue to use it since I have to have IE6 open as well some of the time. Probably will keep it installed and use for browsing when bored but not much else.
What are you doing that requires IE6? ActiveX or .NET thin apps?

My school’s main website doesn’t support Opera, I didn’t need to tell it to use IE specifically, could have told it to use FireFox and that would have been fine too.. post 63

I just don’t like FireFox so when I say I use IE6 instead of Opera it is for that reason, not ActiveX or .NET
Telling itself to "identify" or "mask" itself as MSIE/Mozilla is *NOT* the same as using those browsers. It is simply a hack to get around STUPID BAD CODING PRACTICES DONE BY THE WEBMASTER of the site you’re viewing. It’s still being rendered by the very capable, and SAFE presto engine, which is exclusive to Opera.

If you use FF or MSIE you’re just opening yourself up for malware and other compromises.

ok, can we ban the troll yet?

Didn’t say it was the same. And I don’t see how you can completely blame the coders of the site when the pages load just fine in IE. Opera needs to be more adaptive and be able to still properly view those horribly coded pages like IE does. Other browsers can do it, why not Opera?

You believe wayy to much propoganda. I’ve never had any issues with security using IE6 and I go to questionable websites all the time. So long as my AV and SpyBot don’t fail me I have no issues. I have never, since I’ve been using computers, been infected with a virus or had malware issues. When I run Ad-Aware and Spybot, the only things they ever have issues with are just tracking cookies, which would be the same with Opera.

come on now, potty, we’ve already had someone in this forum who got malware with your wonderful Opera. pay attention please.

You seem to have a cognitive inability to choose between "it" and "they" properly. This isn’t the first time you’ve done this.

actually, you’re doing they wrong.
I still think it’s 100 times better than FireFox and IE, but I didn’t have these problems with my previous version which was 9.0 or some early 9.x

Why would you think that?

Do you even know what the Identify/Mask feature does? It doesn’t change how opera renders the page. It doesn’t change anything client-side. All it does is change the user-agent that is sent to the server. The reason that some sites look different with different user agents is because the webdevs were fucktards. Basically they have some if/then/else or switch/case statements that are adding/removing code based on what they THINK you’re using for a browser. Overall its absolutely horrible design.

For example, if you try to manage your Sprint account with Opera, and it sends its normal user-agent, you actually get re-directed to the MOBILE site because Sprint’s webdevs were stupid and assume that Opera is always running on a phone. However, if I change it to mask as FF/IE then it loads the normal desktop management portal because they think that’s a desktop.

Opera trys to render the content through the same engine, but the content itself is different. So yes, I *COMPLETELY* blame coders because the Opera engine has NOTHING to do with the problem. The problem is that the website "coders" are trying to predict the user’s browser and are dynamically serving DIFFERENT content (or possibly serving a page that says the browser is not compatible, when in-fact it probably works just fine).

You really shouldn’t admit publically that you think MSIE6 was safe. Because it wasn’t.

Hmmm, I guess I should have split up my thing about Opera identifying itself as other browsers. I didn’t mean for that to be related to how Opera generates pages to look different.

And I don’t have any issues with IE6’s security, not how I have my computer setup.

How’d you manaed to get it to use that much memory anyway? Like how much browsing had you done, and did you leave it overnight? AJAX-heavy sites?

I never manage to get over 200MB on my Opera on my laptop at home, and I never shut it down. I use it for all my mail accounts and newsreader as well.

What they trying to say?

YES THEY IS!

How’d you manaed to get it to use that much memory anyway? Like how much browsing had you done, and did you leave it overnight? AJAX-heavy sites?

I never manage to get over 200MB on my Opera on my laptop at home, and I never shut it down. I use it for all my mail accounts and newsreader as well.

After seeing that I decided to pull up my task manager. Mine was at 260mb after only about 20 minutes of browsing and 1 tab open.
the opera dev team wrote this article:

it’s pretty funny, they lambaste against browser detection and recommend bug detection instead. sure that sounds like a good idea, then they show their bug detection solution. they expect web developers to replace a one-liner such as "isOpera" with all that bug detection code? I think the Opera dev team is living in a dream world.

the opera dev team wrote this article:

Most programmers do. It’s not the effort that matters to them, it’s the end product. That’s why accountants exist.

The problem comes when one or the other gets substantially more control over the project.
Opera 9.51 is out.

The Opera guys are right. Browser detection stuff is bullshit.
Does someone wanna tell me why the original post means anything at all? If you were trying to make a point you failed.

Does someone wanna tell me why the original post means anything at all? If you were trying to make a point you failed.

the point is that Opera is not the second coming of Christ in web browser form. it is a piece of shit application like everything else out there.

oh and it is still using more memory than firefox by over 10Mb.

Most programmers do. It’s not the effort that matters to them, it’s the end product. That’s why accountants exist.

The problem comes when one or the other gets substantially more control over the project.

no they don’t, do you ever look at web code? browser detection is commonly used by all kinds of web programmers, even large corporations.

if most programmers did, then the opera dev team wouldn’t have written that plea for help.
OH MY LORD why is that post about Acid 3? Why are they MENTIONING ACID 3?

They should be referring to god-damned specifications not "a point in acid 3".

This pisses me off. It’s bad enough when a billion Opera fanboys are talking about acid success like it’s more important than specification compliance or like they even understand 5% of the tests, or their significance. The only difference with these Opera dudes is they may understand the tests, but they still fail the web.

And the problem with Opera’s auto-UA string switching is validish. While I don’t think the string value is ever significant in any way, Opera fails at rendering evil MS-targetted code, where Firefox more often than not succeeds.

the point is that Opera is not the second coming of Christ in web browser form. it is a piece of shit application like everything else out there.

oh and it is still using more memory than firefox by over 10Mb.

I could have made firefox use 3.5 gigs if I wanted to, my point was the screenshot tells us nothing, as you can make any web browser use as much memory as you want…

no they don’t, do you ever look at web code? browser detection is commonly used by all kinds of web programmers, even large corporations.

if most programmers did, then the opera dev team wouldn’t have written that plea for help.

No, the managers force the programmers to use cheap tricks to keep the product profitable. Did you even think for five seconds about what I posted, or did you just jump on the keyboard?

Yeah, except that the OP also said he had a single tab open for about 20 minutes. That’s about as light a load as any browser can expect to see, and Opera was still snarfing up a ton of RAM.
Both fresh installs, both started, typed in , hit enter, clicked on the planet thing to get the forums… thats it. Now quit your bitching they both work well, its a pretty even toss up

Both fresh installs, both started, typed in , hit enter, clicked on the planet thing to get the forums… thats it. Now quit your bitching they both work well, its a pretty even toss up

you realize that most of this is probably just a reaction to potroast, right? he berates people constantly for preferring any other browser. so, most likely Opera is fine, but it isn’t so amazing that using anything else makes you an idiot.
They’re definitely made huge strides with the memory management in Firefox. I do a lot of client-side debugging in Firefox, and previously it became very unstable very fast, but FF3 actually runs well for me now.

I can’t say much about its performance everyday though because it’s not my primary.

The memory thing is difficult. I’d prefer the browser use 300MB of ram and be blazing fast than be too aggressive and stick to under 100MB and be slower.

They’re definitely made huge strides with the memory management in Firefox. I do a lot of client-side debugging in Firefox, and previously it became very unstable very fast, but FF3 actually runs well for me now.

I can’t say much about its performance everyday though because it’s not my primary.

The memory thing is difficult. I’d prefer the browser use 300MB of ram and be blazing fast than be too aggressive and stick to under 100MB and be slower.

I tried using hulu, fox, and abc tv streaming in firefox and they all don’t work. I ended up using IE7 and it works like a charm. I have tried and tried and tried to like ff3 and I simply cannot. I really can’t find a single redeaming quality for that piece of shit.