I don’t feel much like writing this from scratch, though I guess thats an option if there isnt a better way, but I was just wondering if anyone new of a free resource to quickly add a winamp style spectrum analyzer to a .NET project.

Along those same lines, I am brand new to Visual Basic and .NET programming so is there any really good resource for getting free code snippits or components or whatever you want to call them?
Oh yeah it also desperately needs a face lift lol, I am not creative at all and just kind of slapped all the controls together, any ideas to make this look better? I would love to learn how to make an application skinnable. I’ve been up all night doing this lol this is basically my "Hellow World" program for VB.NET

That’s why I could never be a real programmer; I don’t have the drive to do shit just to see if I can. I’d much rather download WinAmp instead, and write code that hasn’t been written before.

Speaking of which, I imagine the AmaroK source code would be helpful.
Well some people choose to learn by reading books, I choose to learn but just muddling my way through it and figuring it out, I’ve been doing it since I was a little kid lol. I know there is no use for this, no one in their right mind would use it over the dozens of other free media players, but just the 6 or so hours I have spent on it have taught me so much, like I said this is the first time I have ever written in VB, I needed to learn it and .NET for my job so I thought wtf ill make an mp3 player lol

honestly, that’s a great way to learn. you can learn a lot by doing something that no one else has done, but when you are starting out it is much more enlightening to try to do something and then see how others have done it too. then, if you get stuck you can refer to others for ideas.
What do you mean? I say lol a lot? Yeah blame it on WoW, its like half of the average WoW players vocabulary
I (almost) hate to be the dick that says so, but this forum is…strangely…more pleasant lately…as if a great dark cloud has lifted. I wonder what it could be.

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so after all the burning is done.. and the CD is being played in a car stereo.. the song ‘ isnt there ‘
can i updated my software or.. what do i do?

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Since the source is a PC, most likely all his media is digital.

If you have a decent receiver, then it probably has a better DAC than your soundcard does, so it’s better to pass the bits straight to the receiver.
depends on the receiver and the soundcard you are using. If you are using onboard sound, without a doubt use optical. If you are using a Prelude, the DAC and opamps are very good. Unless you are using a mid to high end receiver, chances are they Prelude’s will be better.
i’d say optical…although it only outputs stereo to my reciever for some reason, i want 5.1!

SPDIF/TOSLINK only carries two channels of audio unless it is compressed. So unless the source is outputting either AC3 or DTS, it will only be 2 channel. Although a lot of newer motherboards and soundcards can encode both AC3 and DTS.
I have an okay sound card and an older receiver (3-4 years old). The optical I’m currently using is coming off the motherboard although the soundcard came with the mobo. It is an Asus p5n32 board and I’ve heard they have fairly decent sound cards. It seems like the analog would be the better choice because it would send the multiple channels all the time while the optical seems to pick and choose when to send the 5.1 signal.

Compression only matters if the data quality is degraded. Case in point: ZIP file are compressed, but they don’t lose bits in the process.

that’s the lossy vs lossless debate.

In the end, it depends on way too many factors to really discuss here. And budget and amps/speakers are going to influence the answer, greatly.
So… stick with optical? Or are some saying switch to multi-channel analog?
you never told use what you are using for equipment, so we really can’t say.

10:1 he is using MP3 format audio files… which is, to say the least, lossy

That’s not the compression we were talking about. We were talking about the compression of decoded audio data sent over the S/PDIF or TOSLink cable. If the compression used to send 5.1 over those cables is lossless, then it doesn’t matter if it’s compressed.

You don’t decode or recompress data and then send it via s/pdif. You send AC-3 or DTS encoded data via s/pdif to a decoder on the other end.

Sorry, I used the wrong terminology, but what I was getting at is, as long as AC-3 or DTS doesn’t degrade the quality of the audio signal, then it doesn’t matter if the data had to be compressed to feed 6 channels of audio through a cable with only enough bandwidth for 2 channels.
I’m using a pioneer receiver out to a full tower 5.1 setup with self powered woofer. Currently running over optical in what I thought would pull the 5.1 channel audio out of my matroska high def files. Thus far it seems that my receiver is simply "faking" the surround sound because there are some signals being sent to the rear that should definitely have stayed up front. This is why I was wondering if the multichannel analog would have better channel differentiation and quality. As for music, yea I play MP3’s but I honestly don’t care how well they sound because they are recorded in stereo so my receiver fakes the surround anyway. Do you need anything else for specs or what not?

Soundcard

How many soundcards have HDMI out?

Dunno, I’d do it from the video card not the sound card. The ATI’s for example pump audio down the HDMI port of the newer video cards, the built onboard new intel boards with HDMI pump audio down it too, not sure about NVidia.

HDMI will be exactly the same as optical in terms of quality.

The one that comes with the Asus p5n32 motherboard. It has the multiple channel analog outs. My optical is coming off the actual motherboard but it came with the card because the motherboard didn’t have the analogs onboard.

you are using onboard so no. optical is the better choice here.
Now if only I can get my sound settings to allow me to use both optical and analog simultaneously I will be golden. Optical to the receiver and analog to the computer speakers in the other room.

optical still suffers from all the noise introduced from onboard cards. Realistically, an onboard optical still sucks. Much better to get a discrete card.

I disagree. If there were enough interference to affect things in the digital domain, I’d think more than just the soundcard would suffer. The noise you hear is probably being introduced in the analog output stage.

Years ago I had a Gateway 650XL. Overall, a great performance notebook. It had analog and optical output. When playing mp3’s and then hammering the hard drive you’d hear high-speed "ticks" through the output regardless of which output was used.

It shouldn’t. optical is bit-perfect, no matter what is outputting it.

bit-perfect of what the ouput is….. but emi and cross-talk still affect the circuits when crammed into something has high-density as a laptop mobo.
the problem with digital through optical fiber is that at some point on both the sending and receiving end it is still analog through copper and as susceptible to interference as anything else.

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That’s the problem with copper wire, yes. That’s why using optics to get the signal from point A to point B is better, because you could run it through the middle of a nuclear reactor and the signal won’t be affected.

It could have been due to your mp3 software suffering from buffer underrun since it was competing for disk access. IMO, corruption of digital data due to RF interference is probably the least likely culprit. The inteference would have to be pretty severe. And, if it was that severe, why weren’t more critical components affected?

It’s only the final playback stage that is analog. Digital data from CDs, DVDs, Bluray, etc. are not converted to analog until it reaches a DAC and sent to an amp and speaker.

even when NO mp3 is playing, using the trackpad results in a slight hum on many laptops when connected to high amplification. Stop using the trackpad and no more hum.

That’s the problem with onboard "goodies" — especially with laptops… teh traces are simply too crammed together.
The issue is whether the hum is picked up digitally or by the analog portion of the output. Given the "all-or-nothing" nature of digital signals, it seems unlikely that digital corruption would manifest itself as a hum.

a hum is a sinusoidal wave. digital pulses, when occuring at high frequency do represent a similar peak>peak pattern.

You’re still thinking analog. Digital signals don’t simply mix like analog signals do. The chances that noise would alter the bitstream in such a way that it sounds like a hum was mixed in with the original content is probably somewhere near the probability of a monkey randomly mashing a keyboard and typing up the complete works of shakespeare.

If you’ve ever watched analog TV with rabbit ears, you’ve probably seen snow or ghosting. A small amount of noise disrupts the signal, but the intended content is still visible behind the static. With digital tv broadcasts, the signal can absorb some interference without altering the bitstream. But once that noise threshold is crossed, you don’t get static, you get a screen full of colored blocks.

It’s all or nothing in the digital realm, so if your audio isn’t completely obliterated, it’s probably not data corruption.

correct, it’s not data corruption. It’s crosstalk and emi.

crosstalk and emi are the cause, data corruption is the effect. If there is no data corruption, then how exactly is the optical output affected as you previously stated?
The point is, you won’t hear a hum if you get EM interference in a digital signal. You’ll hear clicks and pops.

correct. the point I’ve been trying to make the entire damn time.

let’s just call it NOISE. NOISE that is NOT supposed to be there.

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Here is my problem:

I have a Cadillac that has a 6-disc CD changer that will not play mp3’s (only burned audio CD’s…so like 15-20 songs at max). It also has a functional DVD player that will play burned DVD’s but not burned DVD’s with MP3’s on it.

I was hoping that somebody might have a solution for me that will allow my mp3’s to be played on the DVD player.

My thought process was this:

I know that the Caddy DVD player will play burned video discs (full of music videos). So I know that you can create .avi’s into a playable DVD disc. My thought was that I could somehow convert my .mp3’s into .avi’s, and then from there burn them to a playable DVD.

Any thoughts on this? I can’t seem to find much information on converting .mp3’s into a playable .avi format.
why not just convert them to wav, make an audio cd/dvd from the mp3’s…
there are only two decent Ipod adapter kits, both are $200

plus the price of an IPOD

that still doesn’t solve my problem. I’d rather solve the burned DVD issue….
$150 for an ipod nano 4g.

I got an adapter for my chevy for $20 (kenwood hu), and $60 for my toyota (stock 6disc changer headunit).

Your dvd issue is solved by my suggestion. You’ve already said you can’t do exactly what you want to do. Therefore you’re either here to be a whinny bitch, or you’re stupid. Of course this can be remedied by coming back to reality.

There has to be some compromise otherwise you’ll never get that functionality.
If you have auxillary inputs on the back of the deck you can put a headphone to rca cable from the ipod to the deck. This is what I did in my eclipse and it worked great. It was about 10 bucks for the CD changer to RCA adapter piece and then 3 dollars for the headphone to rca cable. Cheapest fix if you have a deck that allows for cd changer controlling.
no aux inputs available

How does this suggestion at all help answer my question of adding mp3’s onto a burned DVD?

I don’t have any desire to spend $350 to fix this problem. The only way your suggestion could be any worse is if you say that I should purchase a $1k navigation head unit. Hell, maybe I should just sell my car and buy a different one that plays mp3’s.

I’m not a "whinny" bitch, nor am I stupid. Your suggestion clearly had very little thought behind it and certainly didn’t addess my situation.

stay the fuck out of my thread asshole
You demand things that cannot be done. Clearly you’re stupid.
clearly one suggestion has been posted that will work…

yet, it can’t be done. I might as well sell my car and buy your shitty toyota and Ipod adapter and then the problem will be solved of course
I’d do Jolly’s suggestion, but you could try playing around with Movie Maker to make a movie with MP3’s and a still.

god damn. you were doing pretty well for a while, but still your true asshole nature resurfaces.
If you aren’t diehard about audio quality you could always go with an FM transmitter. Otherwise, you’ll probably have to convert them to something that the dvd player will recognize. Is there a way to burn a black screen with music as chapters on a dvd? Surely the toyota cannot be the best answer.
it has a dvd player… do you have dvd authoring software? You could easily setup a dvd with songs as chapters… then use the next/previous chapter to go forward and backward… hell you could even setup whole albums as chapters, create your own title screen to access the chapters that would be depicted with the album covers. If you wanted to get REALLY fancy you could even record winamp visualizations of each song as it plays and use that as the video… that would be pretty bitching actually, but greatly reduce the number of songs you would get on each dvd

Don’t listen P07 he is a jackass and ignorant if he thinks you are asking for something impossible.

FM transmitters are the worst.

one thing though is that you are a guy driving a cadillac with a DVD player built in. i can’t imagine that even $400 to do this the proper way would break the bank.

anyway, i never tried this software, but it is free for you to try. it says it can convert between various audio formats and includes avi and mp3.

I’ve been looking at doing something in this area. If you really only want to spend 250$ you can do it. I don’t know if you have a double-din headunit or not but depending on that you can get a new HU that reads mp3’s easily. Installment cost around 50$. HU cost around 100$ (the really cheap ones)

Problem is with a bit more money you can get bluetooth and all kinds of shit. Double-din head units cost more so look to spend upwards of 200$ if you go that way. You can get single deck HU with double din adapters but they look like shit.
You can do this without spending any money… read what I already wrote…

I’m actually with him on this.

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Nero for example, has everything he needs to do this.
You can’t make the player play MP3s if it doesn’t have a decoder built-in. Maybe you can convert them to low-quality WAV files so you can still fit them all on one disc, but then it’ll sound like shit.

Alternately, you could convert them to full-quality WAV files and burn them to multiple discs.

Does your player have an AUX jack on it? If it does, then you could use any MP3 player without a conversion kit.
stop telling him to buy an ipod you worthless assholes

he can do it
mp3 to avi converter

then burn to DVD using convertXtoDVD
Yeah, I would google a program that can convet mp3 to avi as some people have mentioned. Then just burn them to DVD with Nero or a similar program. Worth a shot, but…

To be honest, it sounds like a lot of effort for something that may be worth spending some money to fix. Perhaps with a cheaper mp3 player/car connector or something. Or if you’re a DIY person: google for info like that. If you can somehow hardwire an aux input cable to your headunit on your own (I know nothing about this, you’d have to look into it) then you can hook up any cheap mp3 player (or even your laptop if you wanted) to it and play the music like that. You might want to go to craigslist and see if anyone has some cheap solutions to your problem or something if you don’t want to do it yourself. I’m not sure how easy this would be either, but if it is possible, it may be a better longrun solution cuz it might be a pain to convert and burn all those songs. Depends on how you feel about that and whether there are any other solutions without just buying the iPod + accessories. Good luck

edit: possibly worth reading, i just glanced at it:

Buying an iPod is the best solution. It’s not what he wants, but it will work better and more reliably and with less effort. Shoot us for recommending a different approach instead of helping him fit his square peg into that round hole.

Why isn’t this big silly billy yet?
I’m not gonna argue that an Ipod would be the best solution to the problem.

But once again, potty with his constant personal attacks and saying the thread starter is a whinny bitch and stupid is COMPLETELY uncalled for.

It really is one of those solutions you do once, and then realize how gay it is to go through all that hassle and end up buying an iPod adapter and iPod. Just don’t tell Jolly about it

See if it supports DVD-A. []

best solution? are you fucking brainwashed my macintosh ??
i already gave a recommendation that’ll work for his needs cumm guzzler

he clearly doesn’t want to spend more money on his setup and is looking for something cheap to do now

telling him to use an ipod is just fucking absurd when he has everything he needs to burn dvd’s of music
(sorry for the excessive use of language but if people aren’t gona give him solid advice they should stfu)

not to mention this isn’t the mac shack, people should be a little more creative about finding a solution to his problem
Nero it. Convert the files to avi’s and burn it as a DVD w/ a still shot for each song or album. It will work.

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It happens to a lot of threads here lately…
I am gonna have to remember the still shots for dvd video and putting a lot of music on a DVD… Me and a friend were trying to figure out if we could do this with a blue ray disc but with movies instead of music, as in each movie is a chapter on the disc… Gonna have to try it out now.

Thats a possibility -one he should undoubtedly try- but to do this everytime he wants new music, worth it? I understand the whole iPod debate and thats not what he wants because it costs a lot, but I really do have to question whether saving hte money is worth the hassle. But that’s really for the OP to decide.

OP, I would try the Nero thing. Hopefully it will work and you’ll be satisfied. If you do get sick of it, it really seems like its worth it to spend the money for this one. My personal opinion is that having to hassle with technology is generally not worth it unless you enjoy it or are really fucking determined. I think you may get sick of all the effort just to listen to music in your car. Also, the iPod connector may help you sell your car for slightly more if you one day chose to.

it might just be a ‘to prove a point thing’ for the OP. I think it’s a pretty cool idea, but I agree with you too. It’s a lot more simple just to get an ipod or something (touchscreen w/ hard drive, etc.). Especially since this is an Escalade we are talking about. I don’t think money should be an issue here.

money is totally an issue with an escalade, imagine how much he is spending on gas.

It’s a CTS-V

And I can afford one at 24 because I don’t throw my money away to solve a problem that I can do for basically no cost

will be updating this thread later tonight with my results

lol…where the hell did I think escalade? I guess all of thesse people out here who drive caddies have Escalades or Denali’s. Either way, it just seems a little ridiculous. My mother in law drives a 2004 5 series beemer but can’t even afford to fix the fucking air conditioner.

I understand not wanting to spend the money on fixing a problem that can be solved, however the better solution for this could very well be an ipod, hard drive, etc. Either way I would like to know how it goes b/c I might end up doing something like that for a different application.
well everything I have tried so far to convert .mp3’s to any kind of video file isn’t working

even the programs that promise to convert mp3 to avi don’t actually do that

any other suggestions to accomplish this?

try windows movie maker
import the mp3, import a pic, add the pic to the story board, add the mp3 to the timeline (just drag and drop),… then publish the movie
i think it’s wmv format and can be used to make dvds

same steps with nero vision and on that you can select the output format (e.g. avi)

at this point, you have movies/videos.
use a dvd authoring software, add those movies as chapters, burn the dvd, profit

did you happen to try the software that i linked earlier? i didn’t test it, but it claim it could do what you are asking.

one thing to keep in mind with AVI files also is that not all AVIs are created equal. AVI is a container that could contain videos encoded with a number of codecs including Divx and XVid as well as MJPEG and others i’m sure. then, i think XVid at least uses MP3s for the audio stream (or at least can use MP3 encoding for the audio stream). so, if your player can’t decode MP3s, you probably can’t play certain AVI formats that depend on MP3 encoding for the audio.

if you really want to go with this, i think what some have said with DVD chapters and just putting the MP3 music as the audio over some static pictures would work.

to more off’s point about people suggesting iPods, just know that the iPod is the most popular PMP right now. so, like Bandaids and Kleenex, when people are saying "get an iPod" they aren’t necessarily saying that the Apple iPod brand PMP is the only solution. quite often a person is meaning "buy an MP3 player."

yes, absolutely. personally, id on’t own an ipod

Dude, that’s a great idea! Rep + 11ty.

Same here…I don’t own an Ipod, it’s just like the Kleenex and Coke meaning.
I don’t see why you haven’t tried just decompressing the MP3s into WAV files and burning them to DVD as a data disk.
Oh… so people who actually mean MP3 player are saying iPod?

Well that’s fucking stupid. The iPod is nowhere near the best portable media player available, and in my opinion you look like a fag carrying one around. I would take something like the Archos 605 over an iFag anyday

i doubt the stock dvd player would play that though…

suppose I should give it a try

it won’t

dude, have you tried windows movie maker? nero?
if those are too difficult for you,… why don’t you try and look for something like Audio DVD Creator?

it doesn’t matter what you think about iPods, it is pure fact that Apple cornered the market on portable media players. i’m seeing different numbers ranging from 70-90% (and possibly higher) of the PMP market is made up of iPods. they aren’t the best player, but they have a great interface and great 3rd party support (do you see any cars that come with Archos connectivity built in? no. it is either iPod or just a generic auxiliary jack). plus, are there any ways to buy songs that is better than iTunes? again, iTunes isn’t the best application and the Fair Play protected files kind of suck (and keep you locked into an iPod), but what other company has the success of Apple and thus the selection and pricing?

Keep your iTunes it’s garbage… if you don’t already have a huge collection of mp3’s… what have you been doing the last decade? Keep your car adapter also anyone who cares about audio at all has a non-stock headunit with aux input. Pricing versus feature set for the archos units are right on par with the various ipod models so dont feed me that line of bs either.

What iPod has is a name, and a reputation, and the reason they sell so well is because people don’t give two shits about researching something before they buy it they just want what their friends have and/or are brainwashed by gimmicky advertising.

you know he’s not arguing with you on why the ipod is the best, which it obviously isn’t. he’s simply stating why it’s so popular amongst the GA.

it’s the same with any popular branded product.

did people in the past say get a walkman or get a portable cassette tape player?

what’s with all this defensiveness.

lol. truth.
I don’t think buying an IPOD is the correct way to go.

I struggled with a similar problem for years.
I spend 2 1/2 hours a day commuting. I wanted to listen to a radio show that clocks in at just over 3 hours during that commute.
The issue was that I had a paid subscription to the radio shows website (coast to coast am) and they distributed the .mp3 files as 4 45 minute files every day.

So the math is pretty simple to follow here.
A cd holds 72 minutes of music. 2 45 minute files = 90 minutes of music. Therefore without a bunch of trouble I am left with having to burn 4 CD’s when I only really needed to burn 2.

I struggled with it for a long time. Everything I tried to do was a huge pain in the ass.
Eventually I got a CD player for my car that played MP3’s.
That was the solution.
1 CD will carry more then 2 weeks worth of MP3 files of that radio program.

I know that replacing your CD player isn’t the answer you are looking for, but you should look into it. It really is a cheaper solution then I thought it would be.
I have looked into several solutions:

1) replacing the whole DVD/CD/Nav head unit in my Cadillac.
The problem with this is that:
A) it’s expensive, I wouldn’t want to downgrade and lose the NAV capability. So I’d end up spending $1.5-2K on an aftermarket HU
B) I would lose all of the sweet computer functions that GM so thoughtfully tied into the stock HU. The CTS-V has all of it’s performance monitors and car enhancements set up through the computer that is integrated into the stock HU. No solution exists yet to replace this entirely

2) An Ipod with applicable Ipod interface.
As I’ve mentioned before I don’t own and Ipod so there would be the initial cost in purchasing that ($150) and even worse yet is that the only decent Ipod interface with my stock HU is $200 and doesn’t even allow you to scroll through artists. It will only play through playlists. What a pain.

3) Somehow use the stock DVD’s player ability to play burned VD’s by tricking the DVD player when it is full of mp3’s.

4) Burn all of my albums to regular old CD-r’s as audio disks. Effectivelly one disk per album. This is the only option I will consider persuing if the burned DVD solution doesn’t work.

I haven’t tried Windows Movie Maker and my Nero must be crippled because I don’t see anyway to create a dvd with playable mp3’s as chapters (what version of nero do you have?)

Audio-DVD-Converter looks awesome and I will certainly give it a shot!!

Doomsday, appreciate your advice. Do you happen to know how to use Nero to do this?
And lets please give this Ipod argument a rest.

I don’t care which PMP is better. I don’t plan on using one for my solution either way. I do have a 512mB Sansa that I use when I go running. Otherwise I’m either in my car for less than 5 minutes (short commute), at my house (use my computer), or in my office (once again, use my computer).

This thread is getting out of hand!!

You can thank one person for that. In fact everyone can thank that one donkey for any thread that gets out of hand.

what version of Nero do you have? I’m still using Nero 7 Ultra Edition but is still probably the same with Nero 8.

it’s easy.

in Nero StartSmart, go to Photo and Video > Make Your Own DVD-Video > Make Movie

add your Media files.
just drag the mp3s to Audio 1
drag the pic to video track
then extend the pic to sync with Audio 1’s timeline, or add more pics, or whatever you want to do. you can put song titles and shit.

Here,.. the mp3 is already a movie/vid.
Divide the mp3s as chapters
burn the dvd

and you’re done.

sorry, to keep harping on this, but have you tried Switch? that was the software that i linked earlier and i’m not sure if you said you tried it. it got 4/5 stars from both the CNet editors and 192 users who voted.

switch is good, but the nero suite would take him all the way to DVD video format

Ah, ok. Cool
I know I used some program to do the exact same thing but can’t remember what it was. I want to say VirtualDubMod but don’t think it was that. I know I tried Windows Movie Maker but that damn program always crashs or enters error-hell before I ever finish anything. I’ve never completed anything with WMM and have used it on multiple computers including fresh OS installs as well as fresh WMM installs….. I know others who’ve used it with no issues so I don’t know.

Assuming doom is right and just burning a data disk with wav’s won’t work (which I see no reason why it wouldn’t but I’ve never tried), try Windows Movie Maker or Nero (if you have it) since there are instructions here.
so good news and bad news

I finally was able to use nero vision to create a playable DVD with mp3 tracks

I was able to put it in my car and the DVD player recognized the disk and would play the music

the bad news is that fucking GM crippled the dvd player in this car so that you can’t use any functions while in motion. Most importantly, you can’t switch tracks, not even forward or backward without stopping the vehicle.

FUCK!!!!

My roadtrip is coming up in a week and I think I’m going to have no choice but to burn all of my albums to CD-R’s….what a waste!!

At least it has a 6-disk changer so the process won’t be totally unbareable.

Also considering enabling the already on-board XM
Here are the steps to be driving, riding, and watching (Be safe, if you are diving, do not watch screen!!)
Step 1 Put in DVD.
Step 2 Play DVD (Do not leave it at the front menu, if you do not start the DVD you will not be able to start it after you begin to drive.)
Step 3While playing – Hit the second from the bottom buttons on the right hand side of the DVD screen and then press the forward Seek Button. (You will see a little flicker)
NOTE: If you see a differnt screen with the words "cold reboot" on it, press the same button combination AGAIN and it should go back to the DVD…

Step 4 Now disable the parking break and make sure that the DVD stays on.
Step 5 Enjoy

If you did everything correct you will notice that all the features are disabled. If you are at the main menu of the dvd you will not be able to select play movie or any features.

If you would like to stop the dvd, you must hit the top right button first. Then it will bring up the safety lock if you are in motion or parking break off.

Other notes:
I got DVD-R to play fine in mine, but the +R are having some problems.
thanks, yes, i followed that guide but what it neglects to mention is that you can’t skip tracks

so, i can get it to play but I can’t go to the next track, which means i’m pretty much locked into whatever shitty song i may have running…

Yes, and the solution: Don’t put shitty songs on your play list
yeah but a lot of them are albums I have yet to listen to

this road trip was going to be the time I get to first listen

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It costs $20, but to me that’s a small price to pay for a really good product that I’ve been using for ten years now. There’s also a free version if you don’t want to shell out the cash.

And with Jammix Enhancer, you don’t just get to whip the llama’s ass, you dominate it.

Songbird. It looks like iTunes, but without the bulky and the suck, free and open source. There are also tons of add-ons to customize the app, and it supports MP3 players such at iPods
won’t you still have to use itunes to sync the ipod? isn’t that a pain in the ass?
For Windows, I’m a fan of MediaMonkey.
I .. "acquired" the paid version, and it works well
this thread makes me want to install winamp pro again. I think I’ll do that tonight.

anybody know if you can sync and setup playlists with a creative zen sleek photo?

IIRC, there is a Winamp plugin to sync with the Ipod.
I like Foobar.

But I don’t really have a choice, since all of my playlists have 20k+ songs

I can’t imagine having that many songs…. I can just fill up a 4gig Ipod with my music…

Yes, you can.

I’ve ripped more than 40gb of music from CDs to my computer in a day

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Girlfriend really likes JetAudio but I haven’t tried it out…

nice…doing that tonight! I am excited now.
Amarok is the best ever ever.

It’s coming to Windows, but not there yet.

It doesn’t count if you don’t listen to it, pack rat.

It won’t beat Winamp.
I used Winamp many moons ago but switched to iTunes (aside from getting an iPod) because I liked the layout and being able to search

Songbird is the shit, I love it
you can search in winamp…

I think most people don’t know of 90% of the stuff you can do with winamp

not to mention the fact that you mentioned the layout… how many skins are there for winamp? 100,000? a million?
I used to skin my Winamp, but the new v5.5 skin is a lot more modern than the original layout, and it works really well.

Like CodeX said, Winamp is a very capable program, it just doesn’t advertise its features very well.
Meh… Who cares about skins as long as the program works…

I used Itunes when I had an Ipod and it was fine. I now have a Zune and use the Zune software. While I’m not a fan of it, I just load my music and go. Haven’t put any new stuff on it in months.

I do listen to all of it. Playlists just sit on shuffle all day
I like Winamp as well… although I have also used Media Monkey before to sync my iHP-120.

I know I can search, sorry I meant more about how it’s sorted

Wow, you can afford to pay attention to music all day every day? I wish my job were that easy.

What about how it’s sorted?

iTunes on Windows adds MobileMe to the Control Panel It really sucks. What’s with Apple? I’m not interested in "push" e-mail for $99 a year

I use foobar2000 for my day-to-day listenings.

Congratulations, you discovered my sarcasm!

My point is, if he’s doing anything else that requires focus, then he’s not actually listening to the music; it’s just making noise in the background.

People saying winamp are 20 or older I bet, people saying other shit are younger…

Not that either is a bad thing, just when MP3’s first came out and napster was the big thing it was winamp or nothing, and I still contend that as far as free media players go it is the most capable, feature rich, customizable, and most importantly mature (as in the code, bug free) program there is

This post makes next to no sense. I also used to use bsplayer, back when it was the shit for when it came to playing movies. I moved on to MPC, and then VLC, and now KMPlayer.

I used to use Winamp, but I learned very quickly that it’s support for large media libraries and playlists was mediocre at best, and prolonged use would eventually corrupt the files, requiring a complete uninstall, reinstall. So I looked for alternatives, and stumbled upon foobar. I also tried QMP, but it wasn’t for me.

Would you still use Windows 3.1 for Workgroups, just because it was all or nothing back then?

Ah, so because it had bugs ten years ago, those bugs surely still exist, right?

Try again. Use logic this time.

I am sure that happens

Where in the world did I say that? Try using reading skills next time

My point was simply that his argument makes no sense. "The only people recommending new stuff are under 20! They weren’t here when winamp was the only thing around! Everyone who has used winamp sticks with it!"

Try putting a 23,000 song playlist on winamp 3. See what happens.

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It is annoying because there is a lot I like about Apple as a company, but this is really bad form.

you know i’m not an apple hater, but i’ve read a lot of bad shit about MobileMe and it pissed me off when i stumbled on that crap on my Vista laptop. man, i’m already nervous enough about this thing falling on its ass without companies sneaking their crappy software in too.

apple loves to mess with windows.

remember the virus on the ipods?

nah, that wasn’t intentional, i know, but i hear people pissed at how iTunes has installed some service (deux explain iPod Service), and they did it again.

is this ‘bad form’ necessary?

ActiveSync using Apple servers

See, I can deal with MobileMe release being a nightmare. That happens to all companies one time or another. So, I don’t hold it against them for mail failing and all of the other problems that they had with the initial rollout. What I don’t like is that they made the conscious decision to sneak the MobileMe software onto people’s computers without informing them. This is much worse than the lame thing they did with Safari and Apple Update where they treated new software install as a regular update. At least you had the option if you knew to unselect it and then hide it so it wouldn’t ever get installed.
Apple is no better than realplayer when it comes to taking over your computer.

lol @ people who think apple is some sort of standard for ethical principles on how to run a corporation. HOOK LINE AND MOTHERFUCKING SINKER to you idiots.
Is there a particular reason you are using iTunes over an alternative that isn’t trying to pull sneaky tactics such as this? I deleted the newest iTunes for the same reason… I’m sick of installing one Apple program and it installing 5 other services along with it. I don’t need MobileMe. Not sure why I need Apple’s Bonjour service installed, or their shitty Auto Updater which tries to get me to install Safari for Windows

I’d recommend uninstalling iTunes and putting this in. Songbird will import your iTunes library (if you have both programs installed on Songbird’s first launch) and I’m pretty sure (not verified) that it will keep your MP3 players synched to that new library.

i’ll be honest, i’m aggrevated, but i don’t really have much to complain about other than the Safari thing and the MobileMe shit. it was just frustrating that after the backlash from them defaulting Safari to install, you would figure they’d think twice about sneaking shit on your PC.

but, keep in mind that Microsoft is the king when it comes to all of this sketchy shit. so, unless you are a pure Linux geek, you acting all high and mighty is pretty retarded.

I want Quicktime. Like it or not there is stuff in that format and in order to play it I need it.

So you go out and get Quicktime and it tries to get you to install itunes.
Nothing is more useless to me then itunes.
So I get the install without it.

Then one day (like a day later) I get an automatic update for Quicktime, if I am not careful it bundles itunes with it.

Bullshit. Pisses me off.

So now I have itunes, quicktime and Safari all on my machine. And why are they there? Cause it is easier for me to let them install then cut them off at the pass every 2 weeks.

They are a standard for ethical principles on how to run a corporation:

1. Make your product acceptably functional, extremely shiny, and totally incompatible with any products not also made by you.

2. Target an ad campaign at vacuous, shallow people with a need to be cool.

3. Convince them your product is inherently better than anything else, which shouldn’t be hard since they’re vacuous and shallow.

4. Charge them way too much, blaming the price tag on the high cost-per-ounce of brand cachet, which your product has in spades.

5. Profit like a motherfucker.

Hey, I never said their ethics were in line with what most people would approve of…

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EDIT: I forgot, there’s a step before Step 1.

0. Steal employees from the R&D departments of legitimate technology companies (like Xerox) and rip off the products they haven’t developed far enough to patent yet.
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i find it really humorous that you can complain about any of that shit and still be a fanboy of Microsoft.

you can hide whatever "updates" you don’t want installed. just select the ones you don’t want, then click tools -> ignore selected updates. they’ll only come back if you tell the software to restore them.

by the by, i’m sorry that i even posted this thread. i was aggravated at Apple for doing this and all of the retards who are threatened by the existence of Apple come out of the woodwork.

you stupid waste of skin. you know that its possible to NOT be an apple fanboy, NOT be a linux nerd, and also NOT like microsoft, right?

i use windows for a few reasons.

a. apple shit is over-priced. the majority of apple sackriders are fucking annoying prissy murse carrying collar popping pink shirt wearing homos. i dont know which crowd is worse. cyclists or apple elitists.

b. i dont feel like learning linux. i simply just dont care enough.

c. i use windows because i always have, and i downloaded it illegally. microsoft is a shitty company, whos days are numbered with unix and linux getting more popular.

d. omg i have an ipod! because they were the best MP3 player IMO, until the 2nd gen Zune came out. im not a fanboy of shit, i buy what makes sense to me. you apple idiots are just too easy to make fun of when you do shit like this.

you stated in your thread that you think apple is a good company. they arnt. they are there to make a profit from you idiots who will pay twice as much for something, simply because its shiny. they wanted to move their entire tech support department to india, but they didnt because they werent going to save enough money. point is, they wanted to. they are just like everyone else. stop sackriding.
LOL. Yeah, apple is a GREAT company.

to you sir. Just download and installed it after reading your post and I love this program, only wish there was an equalizer. This is the program that has made me uninstall iTunes.
actually, i’m not a fan of apple. i’m just against fanboys and this forum is full of microsoft sack riders. when i talk to my friend who is an apple fanboy, i always give him shit about stuff they do.

i don’t own any apple products other than an iPod nano i bought a while ago for my wife and an iPod Touch i bought a few months ago. what i liked about the touch was the community support with the available hacks and shit.

what annoys me about people though is the utter hatred that some people have for apple. they put a lot of thought into usability, overall design and how you interact with their products. if there is any premium in their hardware (and there isn’t across the board), it is acceptable to many people to cover the design and usability that always seems to be an afterthought for companies like Microsoft, Dell, HP and all of the other Windows-centric computer companies. as far as the shitty things that Apple does, they don’t do anything better or worse than any other profit driven company.

the closest you’ll ever see to me being a fanboy is with HPUX and possibly HDS storage. i’d much rather deal with HDS and HPUX than EMC and Solaris any day.

Microsoft doesn’t steal employees and un-patented ideas, it buys companies whole and gets their patents along with them. It’s definitely more ethical, because it doesn’t put those people out of jobs and steal their big ideas.

Apple isn’t even a technology company anymore, they’re a marketing company — they don’t come up with any new ideas, they just market the ones they can turn the highest profit margin on. They’re the fucking GAP of electronics vendors, which is surprising, because they actually managed to steal the mantle from Sony, who at least develops their own shit.

I apptreciate the advice on getting around it. I never took the time to explore tools on it. Maybe I will do some uninstalls and do what you said.

But don’t let this excuse Apple from what they have done.
If Microsoft did the same thing with there software then every Apple fanatic with an axe to grind would be screaming at them.

It is unacceptable behavior to tie downloads together like that.
The comparison with Real software is a justifiable one.
I got some iPhone thing installed on my computer and I don’t have an iPhone.
Didnt Microsoft get sued because it always force installed windows media player? Will Apple get sued in the same way?

Wasnt it also not that long ago where iTunes started force installing Safari, and when they got caught, they had to add a check box which is checked on by default?

They likely won’t get sued. Microsoft has a natural monopoly in the OS market, which is legal because you can’t stop everyone from buying the same product if they all like it, but it used that to create artificial monopolies in the web browser and media player markets. Even so, technically it wasn’t the fact that Windows came with Media Player and Internet Explorer, it was the fact that they couldn’t be removed that got them in deep shit.

As far as I know, Apple neither has a monopoly in anything, nor do they prevent the user from removing those packaged "extras" without also removing the software the user wanted.

it was that plus the fact that Microsoft was using their monopoly to limit competition by threatening their resellers to not install competiters software.
I think Apples day is comming. They are suing a company that took OSX and modified it so it would work with off the shelf PC parts. A rather large legal firm has stepped in to repesent the small company and has already raised the issue of anti-trust violations by Apple based on the fact that they only allow their software to be installed on hardware they make.

Actually I’ve long thought Apple was better at it than MS… and they’ve just been making it more obvious the past few years.

I read about that and thought it was a rather interesting approach, although I have no idea if it will really work.

when you say better, do you mean they are more sketchy or they are less sketchy?

i haven’t seen much other than the Safari and MobileMe sneakiness. i know a lot of Winders people have always had a bad feeling about apple because they don’t understand how someone could get so amped on a computer and OS. to most people, the PC is just a tool to use. so, to see these other people start talking in touchy feely ways about their computers is a bit off putting. i was like that for years and, though i still won’t buy an apple computer (mini too small, mac pro too insanely expensive and way too much power, iMac is perfect for me but i refuse to buy an all-in-one computer), i recognize why people like OSX and why they use it.
I recognize why people like OSX and giggle at some of the really delusional fanboys (same for Windows or Linux fanboys) but that doesn’t prevent me from having rather negative feelings about a lot of their tight-knit software installation annoyances and packages and their own anti-competitive behavior.

I don’t see much point getting amped over anything Apple because in my experience it’s just as flawed as the alternatives.

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Sounds a good idea! But it would be a time consuming process if you have a library of iTunes M4P music files ready to be converted to PSP MP3 for playback on your PSP. And it is a waste of CD discs. Moreover, the information about the M4P music files like title, artist and album will be lost after burning and ripping back to MP3 or WMA files. So this method is not recommended if you have a big collection of iTunes M4P music files ready to be transferred to your PSP.
Here, I would recommend using to convert iTunes M4P to PSP MP3. It applys the virtual CD burning technology to simulates the burning and ripping process. You just need to burn the iTunes M4P playlist to TuneClone virtual CD burner. Then TuneClone will directly convert the iTunes M4P music list to PSP MP3 for you. It is very fast and the information about each music song will be preserved perfectly. You can follow its the to learn how to convert iTunes DRM protected M4P music to PSP MP3.

After getting the output MP3 files by adopting either the burn-and-rip method or the way of using , now you can begin to transfer the MP3 files to your PSP:
1) Connect the PSP to your PC with a USB cable.
2) Press the "home" button on the PSP (it’s a tiny button to the lower left of the screen) then use the left-right directional buttons to find "Settings", then the up-down buttons to find "USB Connection" on the PSP.
3) Press the "X" button (you got it, the round button with the "X" on it) and your PSP should display "USB Connection".
4) In a moment or two your computer should tell you that a new USB device has been connected, then show you a new generic hard drive, usually E: or F:
5) Click on the drive letter that corresponds to the PSP unit.
6) Now create a new folder on that drive and name it "psp".
7) Within the new "psp" folder create another folder, and name it "music".
Copy your desired mp3 files into the new "music" folder.
9) When you’re done copying your desired music tracks, press the "O" button on the PSP to get out of USB connect mode.
Now you’re ready to go! Use the left-right arrows to move to the music area, then the up-down arrows to find "Memory Stick". Choose that folder by pressing the "X" button again, and you should be able to find all your favorite music!

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