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PC repair in Texas now requires a PI license.

admin — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:57:04 +0000

lol, i hope none of you are in the computer repair business down there, you’ll need to get a criminal justice degree just to fix computers.

that makes absolutely no sense. i wonder if every PC tech will have to do it or if each place has to have a license and can then sponsor the rest of the people or something.

i can’t imagine that this will last. people who do PC support don’t have fucking degrees. if you had a degree and you are doing PC support, you’re doing something wrong (unless you just got out of school and have little to no experience).

can anyone explain to my what having a PI license has to do with working on a home PC? fuck, i wouldn’t want any of those people fixing my shit because now they’ll start digging for stuff. i guess that’s why TX is doing it because it is a way to snoop on people.

by the way, at what point in time can we just fucking send TX back to Mexico?

that makes absolutely no sense. i wonder if every PC tech will have to do it or if each place has to have a license and can then sponsor the rest of the people or something.

by the way, at what point in time can we just fucking send TX back to Mexico?

maybe pc techs are expected to search the computers for warez and kiddie porn these days

that’s fucking illegal. no one has the right to just go through your private shit for any reason. that is a fundamental right that the US was built upon. that is one step before the police being able to search your house or your car without a warrant.
Actually the law states that if you’re gather information about someone’s computer to give to a third party.
Something simple like removing spyware using some spyware removal programs or replacing hardware and so on, is not affected by this.
However if you work for a company that monitors your internet usage they the people that do the monitoring need to have a PI license since they are collecting this information to give to someone else within the company.

Yeah, I don’t know how this turkey read into this bill so badly. If you take the time to read the bill there’s barely any mention of this affecting PC repair – only as it pertains to security.

Actually the law states that if you’re gather information about someone’s computer to give to a third party.
Something simple like removing spyware using some spyware removal programs or replacing hardware and so on, is not affected by this.
However if you work for a company that monitors your internet usage they the people that do the monitoring need to have a PI license since they are collecting this information to give to someone else within the company.

Yea, just read this.

It’s bullshit though.
you need to have a degree to work on a computer but can be a total fucking retard to run a country.

congrats to texas

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Comcast Ordered to Stop BitTorrent Traffic Interference

admin — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:41:53 +0000

ISPs have been throttling BitTorrent traffic for years now, but only recently has this turned into a political issue. In a huge victory for BitTorrent users, the FCC has now announced that it will order Comcast to stop interfering with BitTorrent traffic.

Almost a year ago we first reported that Comcast was actively disconnecting BitTorrent seeds. Now, after numerous debates and false promises from Comcast, the FCC has ruled that Comcast�s BitTorrent interference is unacceptable, and orders the company to stop doing so.

Kevin Martin, FCC chairman told AP that Comcast�s BitTorrent throttling is �arbitrary�, and that the company had violated the principles of the Federal Communications Commission. Martin said that Comcast slows down BitTorrent users independent of the amount of traffic they use, and that the company failed to communicate their network management practices to their consumers.

Indeed, a recent study by the Max Planck Institute showed that the company had misinformed the FCC and their users. Comcast has always argued that BitTorrent upstream traffic was only blocked during periods of heavy network traffic, this turns out to be a lie, as the study showed that they blocked BitTorrent upstream traffic 24/7.

The FCC has announced that it will take appropriate action against Comcast, and the ISP will be ordered to stop interfering with BitTorrent traffic. Comcast has said before that it will invest in its network capacity and stop slowing down the traffic of their users, but these were all false promises.

Marvin Ammori, general counsel of Free Press who filed the complaint with the FCC is delighted with this outcome, and said in a response: �Nine months ago, Comcast was exposed for blocking free choice on the Internet. At every turn, Comcast has denied blocking, lied to the public and tried to avoid being held accountable. We have presented an open and shut case that Comcast broke the law.�

�The FCC now appears ready to take action on behalf of consumers. This is an historic test for whether the law will protect the open Internet. If the commission decisively rules against Comcast, it will be a remarkable victory for organized people over organized money,� Ammori added.

It is to be expected that – if the pipes are really congested – Comcast and other ISPs will have to step away from the all-you-can-eat plans they have been offering for years, now that people are actually using bandwidth they signed up for.
Hot damn, now I don’t have to be worried when I move and Comcast is the only ISP available in the area.

i wouldn’t be so quick to say that. if you are really using bittorrent and have high bandwidth requirements, you’re probably going to be paying more for your internet access.

honestly, i don’t know why they just haven’t done this for years. if 90% of the bandwidth is being used by 5% of the users, make them pay more for the extra bandwidth and then use that money to increase the available bandwidth.
My ass the pipes are clogged. There’s more dark fiber in the USA than lit fiber.
I prefer a socialist internet. I pay the same as everyone else, and use it as I need to. I don’t want to have to pay more one month, less the next month, just because I had more Windows updates than normal.
in other news

Written by J.J. King on July 10, 2008
During their annual summit meeting in Japan, the G8 members agreed to get the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) ready for implementation by the end of the year. The agreement, pushed by multimillion dollar companies, will open the doors to a digital police state, much to the pleasure of the MPAA and RIAA.

This May we already posted about the leaked ACTA proposal, and it now seems that the final agreement will be ready sooner than we had hoped. Fresh out of the G8 meetings �Declaration on the World Economy�, passages under the heading �Protection of Intellectual Property Rights� suggest member states want the international anti-piracy agreement ready for implementation sooner than some expected, as it reads:

We encourage the acceleration of negotiations to establish a new international legal framework, ACTA, and seek to complete the negotiation by the end of this year.

This date is consistent (surprise, surprise) with that which the US Trade Representative has set as its own timetable for ACTA. Together with some insider information that was obtained by TorrentFreak, this doesn�t sound promising.

How will ACTA affect P2P users?
So what does this mean for P2P users? The honest answer is that it�s hard to be sure. The degree of secrecy surrounding the ACTA negotiations is astonishing, blocking attempts at a variety of levels to develop a counter-strategy. The process is deliberately avoiding both the World Trade Organisation (WTO) and World Intellectual Property Organisation (WIPO), which now have enough member countries suspicious of the �anti-piracy maximalist� agenda to make ACTA�s progress impossible.

At a recent EU meeting following the June ACTA negotiations in Geneva, a packed room of �stakeholders� � that is, industry representatives � were desperately trying to get information on what had made it into the June draft of ACTA while revealing as little as possible, publicly, about what they themselves wanted in it. The Commission � on first-name terms with these industry reps, showing only too well how well regarded they are in this policy-forming process � has basically indicated that no-one will see the text of ACTA until it�s ready to sign.

Also at this EU meeting, it was made absolutely explicit that ACTA is in large part about updating legal frameworks to take account of P2P and developments on the Internet. The previous regime to deal with IP and piracy, TRIPS was 12 years old, officials said, and the Internet had �not existed in the same way� when TRIPS was drafted. In this respect, the hints we have about what might make it into ACTA from a list of suggestions the RIAA obtained by Knowledge Ecology International (which has been double checked for veracity) are very important. More than any other lobby, of course, the RIAA is dealing with issues specifically related to the Net. This gives some pointers of where ACTA could go if the anti-piracy and IP lobbies get their way.

Getting your iPod though customs�
RIAA�s proposals for ACTA go well beyond U.S. law on the enforcement of copyrights online. As earlier reported, they want �competent authorities� to be able to take action at borders over pirated copies without the need for a complaint from a rights holder. An official at the EU meeting ridiculed the �iPod search� stories about ACTA, pointing to the EU�s own border measures � but given U.S. border agents are already retaining and searching large amounts of laptops at borders, this is another burden for travelers who are already harassed by ridiculous �security� measures in the Homeland and beyond. Those dismissing such ideas as �merely� the wish list of the rabid anti-piracy lobbies take note: although there has only been one draft of ACTA made so far (and no one outside the secretive gang involved has been able to see it), reliable sources say there is text relating to the border measures provisions. So at least one of the RIAA�s wishes seems, in some form, to have already made it in.

The RIAA�s wish list for online enforcement of its �rights� is also of great concern, not least because it implies that they would get access to private data from ISPs in order to be able to see what we�ve been sharing. As the year goes on, it�s becoming clear that the P2P / IP debate is merging with the surveillance and privacy debate in ways that I think many people hadn�t forseen. We need to understand fast that enforcement of copyright is one of the main levers being used to drive a wedge into our data privacy at the international level.

RIAA and MPAA want to police the Internet
In general, what the RIAA want is �harmonization� (read: extension of US law over the whole world) of the tricky Grokster �inducement� provisions that make providers of software liable if they can be seen as inducing infringing behavior in users. As I know personally from discussions with the RIAA about projects like VODO, interpretations of what constitutes contributory liability are very broad in the States. What the industry wants to do is chill the rapid innovation that led to products like Napster and BitTorrent by rendering entrepreneurs uncertain about the legal status of their activities. The fact that BitTorrent is the most efficient media reproduction and distribution system in history, used by hundreds of thousands of producers to distribute their own work outside the clutches of the corporate media cabals is, of course, not part of the picture here. This is precisely about media conglomerates� desire to hang on to the tatters of their empire.

The RIAA�s ACTA would also continue the trend towards ISPs and search engines to weed out infringing users. RIAA expects ISPs to filter infringing materials and police offending P2Pers, cutting off their access if necessary. Again this points to mass surveillance of internet use that, in the light of the wiretapping controversy alread raging in the States, is utterly unacceptable in Europe or anywhere else.

How We Can Slam On The Brakes
So what can be done, and what hope do we have over ACTA? Well, firstly, there are internal contradictions in the process that might make its progress less than smooth. The inclusion of the �3 strikes� rule for kicking P2P users from their ISP contract is a case in point � the European Parliament is actually very suspicious of the 3 strikes rule and the UK government is reportedly desperately looking for alternatives to this political hot potato, which only months ago was portrayed as a fait accompli. This raises the possibility of a showdown between ACTA and the European Parliament.

Secondly, the European Commission has no mandate to implement criminal sanctions on copyright matters – this is down to the individual member states who will be very wary about antagonizing their electorates. Since these criminal sanctions are seen by players like the RIAA as a key �virtue� of ACTA – without which it would be a �dodo� – the shakiness of the legal base for inclusion of criminal sanctions is a big issue.

Thirdly and relatedly, the secrecy around ACTA is a potential pitfall. A mandate should have been obtained from the Commission to negotiate the Treaty, but if it exists it has been declared too secret, or at least �confidential� to bring out. Since this document would very likely have to include a rationale for allowing the Commission to negotiate beyond its power on criminal sanctions, it may be rather suspect. European TorrentFreak readers should immediately write to your MEP in your Member State and ask them to request a copy of the mandate, so that we can get a copy of it online and look at how the EU justifies negotiating an ACTA that includes criminal measures. Since the US wants ACTA to be signed before Bush leaves office, a derailing tactic like this has a good chance of working.

ACT against ACTA before it�s too late�

cliffs: the RIAA can diaf

well, no. i’m figuring there would be a bandwidth cap, though i guess there could be a monthly usage cap too. pay X for 250down/150 up… Y for 500down/250up. Z for 1Mb down/500kbup. you know. instead of throttling speeds, force people to pay for the speed they want.

that’s the way it should work. fuck all you can eat because if there is an asshole that is running BitTorrent on my shared cable line and is fucking up my connection, then he should be paying more to pay for upgrades so my service isn’t degraded.

Start a movement, I’ll join.

No need. It’s already that way. They’re trying to change it to not be that way anymore.

If there’s a bandwidth cap, there is by definition a usage cap. If you can’t download more than 1Mb/s, then you can’t download more than 2.5Tb/mo. The problem isn’t the asshole next door running BitTorrent, the problem is the assholes at the cable company who sell your neighbors more than their fair share of the cable’s maximum capacity.

i agree that the cable company is full of assholes, but i hate when people run their torrent client 24/7 knowing that they are on a shared link and not caring that they are fucking up everyone else’s connectivity.

oh, and a bandwidth cap only constitutes a usage cap if you are maxing your connection non-stop. if you are, you shouldn’t be paying the same as me. it doesn’t matter the size of the pipe, the assholes i’m talking about will max it out no matter what the limit is simply because they can. so, have them pay twice as much as me and use that to fund a bigger pipe.

over-selling is essentially a REQUIREMENT in order to provide the burstable speeds that we demand for a price we’re willing to pay.

There’s a reason that business products cost more for the same bandwidth — because the business statistically use it more fully than their residential counter-parts.

Look at webhosting…. Dreamhost gives me 8,656 GB of bandwidth per month…. but if I even came close to using that they’d shut me down. It’s all smoke and mirrors to make you feel good.

If people would just stop being asshats and stop with the piracy then everything would be better for everyone. Costs would go down, and speeds would go up.

Torrents are not inherently bad, but if you remove piracy from torrent usage it basically goes the way of gopher.

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Having trouble connecting to limewire.

admin — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:36:33 +0000

Originally I couldn’t connect to the internet at my house for more than 24 hours without having to reboot the modem. That problem mysteriously went away, but now my computer isn’t connecting to limewire correctly. In the last month it has successfully connected to limewire a total of 3 times. My guess is it has something to do with my firewall, but I am terrible at the whole computer thing. What is the best route for troubleshooting this problem?

P.s. I also reached the conclusion punching it continuely had no effect.

I’m sure some idiots will disagree, but there is zero legit use of limewire.

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Sorry still stuck in 04, what do you recommend.

I’m sure some idiots will disagree, but there is zero legit use of limewire.

discussing peer-to-peer software is not against policy. the only reason to stop/lock any threads like this is for the legal liabilities to the forum for supporting illegal activities. until p2p services are deemed illegal by the government, you can discuss them without any repercussions, as long as you don’t say that you are doing something illegal with it. By the way, the US government also seems to disagreeing seeing that they are against Comcast throttling P2P traffic. If it was inherently illegal, they would be supporting Comcast.

p2p software has a very legit use, including a good way for bands to help distribute their music easier. i remember back in the day of Napster i had some Weezer music on my PC. the drummer for Jack’s Broken Heart wrote to me through the Napster software and told me that if i liked Weezer, that i’d like their music and recommended i download it. i did and he was right.

Anyway, just throwing the up without any justification is useless and tiresome. Write to the mods and leave it. You posting this garbage means nothing.

To Greenstar, Bittorrent seems to be the current way of sharing files. �Torrent was the client that I used a while back, though I don’t use any torrent stuff anymore. You should check online though to really understand it.

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limewire

my girlfriend’s mom uses bearshare she wonders why she keeps getting spyware
as has been stated before get the fuck off limeware/bearshare/kazaa/what the fuck ever. no good will come of it.

Agreed. I really liked the original few versions of Napster for that reason. I would search for bands I liked and talk to the people who had several of them and get recommendations for bands I hadn’t heard of.

Personally, I hate torrents and any sort of p2p currently being used. I just use google…..

You’d be much better off not having limewire on your computer.

Personally, I hate torrents and any sort of p2p currently being used. I just use google…..

You’d be much better off not having limewire on your computer.

did you mean "i just use google for my song downloading" which is possible, cause i’m failing to see how google alone is going to get you the same content as torrents provide.

No, that is where I find everything I download.

BTW: Haven’t downloaded music is several years.

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Seagate 1.5TB Drives?

admin — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:55:52 +0000

So I see on Seagate’s website that there is now a 1.5TB Barracuda 7200.11 SATA-II drive (ST31500341AS). I tried looking for a US release date and only found a place taking pre-orders in the UK and they stated "August." Anyone here know any of the US release?

I could use some larger drives soon this is good news for me….

EDIT: So apparently if I just search for "1.5TB Seagate" I get a bunch more results than searching for the part number. Anyway, from the Seagate press release they stated "Shipments of the Barracuda 7200.11 1.5TB are set to begin August 2008"

this is good news for me, my 400gb drive for video in my server is filling up. this means that prices for terabyte drives will drop

Samsung F1s are already down to $150. Pretty damn cheap if you ask me.
every time i see anything about terrabytes it makes me think back to microsoft’s terrabyte server back in the day. it use to be such a big deal
anyone heard anything about the release dates of the 74GB/150GB WD Velociraptors?

I’m waiting on those. The OCZ SSD Core Series still ain’t worth it, imo.
too much money and heat for very little speed gain — and the shittiest of the shit in terms of capacity. Better off with some 32MB cache seagate drives. RAID 3/5 that bitch if you want performance.

anyone heard anything about the release dates of the 74GB/150GB WD Velociraptors?

I’m waiting on those. The OCZ SSD Core Series still ain’t worth it, imo.

The 150GB VR is listed on NCIX. Says it should be in stock within a few weeks. I don’t see why they would even make a 74GB VR and personally I don’t think they will. They will have to create a new platter, and this doesn’t make sense for one drive. I am in the same boat though. I’ve thought long and hard about the OCZ Core, but it just doesn’t perform all that well yet. I just want a small good performing boot drive.

yeah, I too doubt the 74GB VR. maybe it’s just rumors.

just checked NCIX.
around $200??

i’d probably still hit it
the 300GB VR is just too big for my OS drive.

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After my computer woes, I am going to just go with a pre built computer

admin — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:53:14 +0000

After trying to build my own and all that shit my computer has died again so I’m just saying fuck it and buying a pre-built now. I was looking at this guy and it seemed like a pretty good deal.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11281552&whse=BC&Ne=4000000&eC at=BC|84|56671|74658&N=4018595&Mo=8&pos=7&No=2&Nr= P_CatalogName:BC&cat=74658&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDes c1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&ec=BC-EC11739-Cat25532&topnav=

I’m going to go on newegg and look at the reviews for all the shit in it, though.
ugly crap case, check.
generic psu, check.
crap mobo, check.
meh hdd, check.
cheap optical route, check.
realtek audio, check.
crap warranty, check.

walk away.

ugly crap case, check.
generic psu, check.
crap mobo, check.
meh hdd, check.
cheap optical route, check.
realtek audio, check.
crap warranty, check.

walk away.

Do you know of any good ones?
go to a reputable computer shop and have them build you one… or someone that knows what they’re doing and use newegg.
2x $27 – LITE-ON 20X DVD�R DVD Burner Black SATA
1x $45 – CoolerMaster Case
1x $85 – Seagate 500GB 7200RPM 32M SATA-II
1x $155 – ATi Radeon HD4850 512MB PCI-Ex16 HDCP
1x $80 – Corsair 550W PSU
2x $20 – OC Z 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 667MHz
1x $100 – Intel DP35DPM ATX
1x $195 – Intel Q6600 LGA-775
1x $110 – Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium w/SP1
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$864

have someone that knows what they’re doing build it.

2x $27 – LITE-ON 20X DVD�R DVD Burner Black SATA
1x $45 – CoolerMaster Case
1x $85 – Seagate 500GB 7200RPM 32M SATA-II
1x $155 – ATi Radeon HD4850 512MB PCI-Ex16 HDCP
1x $80 – Corsair 550W PSU
2x $20 – OC Z 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 667MHz
1x $100 – Intel DP35DPM ATX
1x $195 – Intel Q6600 LGA-775
1x $110 – Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium w/SP1
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$864

have someone that knows what they’re doing build it.

You’d take the ATI over an 8800?

I’m going to go on newegg and look at the reviews for all the shit in it, though.

how much did you know about computers before you tried to build one yourself (hardware wise)?

and did you use any form of static shock protection when you worked on it?

how much did you know about computers before you tried to build one yourself (hardware wise)?

and did you use any form of static shock protection when you worked on it?

I knew the parts I needed and how to plug them in.

And none and I built it on carpet. Not too smart in retrospect.

how much did you know about computers before you tried to build one yourself (hardware wise)?

and did you use any form of static shock protection when you worked on it?

i don’t generally wear anti-static straps or anything like that. A couple days ago I even worked in my case while laying on the carpet under my desk. I haven’t damaged anything in about 6 years from static.

yes.
And where do you see that card for 155?

Edit: Oh, the mail-in rebate.

have someone that knows what they’re doing build it.

skip the vista and get XP

I have XP on my laptop, so I guess I could just get Vista.

don’t

I knew the parts I needed and how to plug them in.

And none and I built it on carpet. Not too smart in retrospect.

that’s why it died then

sorry for laughing, but you likely fried every component in there before you turned it on for the first time.

Well I’m still open to opinions

you do realize most ESD damage doesn’t kill the component outright, it degrades it and reduces the lifespan of the component. Most of the time, if you have an intermittent hardware problem with no seeming cause, its from ESD.

that’s why it died then

sorry for laughing, but you likely fried every component in there before you turned it on for the first time.

I had it running, then I would get the blue screen of death more periodically until eventually it never turned on. I’m suspecting a shit psu that came with the case.

could be a shit PSU, could also have been ESD. Intermittent failures leading up to a complete failure is a classic symptom of ESD, or underpowering. With underpowering, however, it probably would have kept turning on, especially once you replaced the PSU with a better one.

have someone that knows what they’re doing build it.

Could you get me a link to which RAM to use?

Vista is a perfectly functional OS that is far superior to XP in pretty much every way. The one issue you could raise about it is the increased hardware requirements, but the same was true of 98 vs XP. With 4gb of ram, it will be a nonissue.

Vista, especially if you’re getting 4gb of ram. x64 XP is garbage, which means you’ve gotta go x64 vista.

vista is filled with bugs. It’ll be good once SP2 hits

i don’t know. i don’t really see much better about vista than XP. i can’t really say it is worse, but i don’t see all that much of a big deal with it. i still think 64-bit Windows on a desktop is a joke since it is rare that someone is actually using that much memory (unless of course they have loads of garbage running in the background). for someone not too technical, i’d recommend just staying away from 64-bit winders.

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Vista is an excellent OS. I would recommend it when building a decent machine. What I posted was a good machine.

People were saying that the 667 mhz RAM is kind of slow. I don’t know much about it, but is that true?

depends on the fsb of the cpu. What I posted works well together.

Alright, thanks.
So yeah, I think I’m going with that setup. Everything should be fine if those are all the parts that I order?
yes those parts work well together… of course if you’re not comfortable building it, then you should have a shop do it.
That’s what I was thinking.

I kind of just want to be able to do school shit and Flight Simulator and some other video games.

* sigh *

Don’t buy that P35 mobo, it’s old.
Get a P43 or P45. These are the latest chipsets.

I recommend Gigabyte.

Do you really need a quad core? If not, consider the E8400 dual core.

Seagate is good, but consider the WD6400AAKS which is faster and has more GB.

here’s a $5 off coupon code if you will buy through newegg: EMCAHCFAD

Get DDR2-800 ram. Price diff between 667 is just a few $.
Look at OCZ’s prices:
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* sigh *

Don’t buy that P35 mobo, it’s old.
Get a P43 or P45. These are the latest chipsets.

I recommend Gigabyte.

Do you really need a quad core? If not, consider the E8400 dual core.

Seagate is good, but consider the WD6400AAKS which is faster and has more GB.

here’s a $5 off coupon code if you will buy through newegg: EMCAHCFAD

Get DDR2-800 ram. Price diff between 667 is just a few $.
Look at OCZ’s prices:
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So then if you don’t mind would you link me to which motherboard and RAM would work together. That’s one thing that I was never able to understand.

And I think I might as well get a quad core so I don’t have to upgrade for a couple of years.
seagate > wd
intel > gigabyte
quad > dual for most users.

and faster memory doesn’t do shit if the fsb doesn’t match!

i’d take the Seagate if the price diff is huge, but not in this case
those WD6400AAKS are fast with 2×320GB platters, only SATA drives that could pwn it are the Raptors and Samsung F1s

intel > gigabyte

we all know you love Intel, but why the hell would you recommend last years’ chipset?
just because your favorite brand doesn’t release their P43/p45 models yet?

quad > dual for most users.

he wants a quad, won’t debate that anymore

and faster memory doesn’t do shit if the fsb doesn’t match!

so why don’t you give him DDR2-533 then? that’s all he need for a 1066FSB CPU.

you are probably recommending this ram:

unless his mobo doesn’t support DDR2-800, he has no reason to get that instead of this:

$0.50 cents cheaper after rebates and being DDR2-800, he gets free overhead

we all know you love Intel, but why the hell would you recommend last years’ chipset?
just because your favorite brand doesn’t release their P43/p45 models yet?

That is a VERY ignorant question.

Instead, you should be wondering why Intel doesn’t release a board with their own hot new chipset. Perhaps it’s not ready yet???

That is a VERY ignorant question.

Instead, you should be wondering why Intel doesn’t release a board with their own hot new chipset. Perhaps it’s not ready yet???

wtf are you talking about? Intel launch the chipset last month
the delay of Intel brand mobo is foxconn’s production problems

I don’t really care what mobo brand you prefer (just don’t get ECS ), pick the mobo with the features you want/need (# of PCI slots, USB, SATA ports, Firewire, etc) that fits your budget.

If you do want my opinion,… any of these P43/P45 mobos is what I recommend.

I’ve also heard good feedback from MSI’s P43/P45 boards so you might want to check them out too.

that OCZ DDR2-800 ram is fine and should work with those mobos

ignore the negative reviews on newegg, most are about OCZ’s fucked up rebate (the rebate must be postmarked 12 days from purchase )

if you do have doubts about RAM compatibility,… you can check the manufacturer’s site for lists of compatible ram

let’s take this Gigabyte mobo for example:

Gigabyte’s site

RAM compatibility lists

How does FSB relate to ram speed? My guess is you have to be able to divide FSB/Ram speed and ge ta whole number or something of that sort?

Intel’s FSB are quad pumped
Conroe 1066 / 4 = 266mhz
Penryn 1333 / 4 = 333mhz

now look at this chart, note the bus clock,…
DDR2-400 = 100MHz memory clock, 200MHz bus clock, 400mil DT/sec, peak transfer rate of 3200MB/s
DDR2-533 = 133MHz memory clock, 266MHz bus clock, 533mil DT/sec, peak transfer rate of 4266MB/s
DDR2-667 = 166MHz memory clock, 333MHz bus clock, 667mil DT/sec, peak transfer rate of 5333MB/s
DDR2-800 = 200MHz memory clock, 400MHz bus clock, 800mil DT/sec, peak transfer rate of 6400MB/s
DDR2-1066 = 266MHz memory clock, 533MHz bus clock, 1066mil DT/sec, peak transfer rate of 8500MB/s

easier way is just to divide RAM speed by 2 (DDR2-800 / 2 = 400 )

cpu and ram bus should be in sync to avoid wait states
so, if you have a Penryn cpu (333Mhz), you will need DDR2-667 (333MHz) minimum
anything below that, RAM will be a bottleneck.

the advantage of getting faster ram is the overhead, either used for future upgrades or overclocking.
lets say i raised my FSB to say 356MHz,…
since DDR2-667 is slower than that (333MHz), I need to oc the ram.
since DDR2-800 is faster than that (400Mhz), I don’t need to oc it.
I need a book to understand what all this shit means.

Intel’s FSB are quad pumped
Conroe 1066 / 4 = 266mhz
Penryn 1333 / 4 = 333mhz

now look at this chart, note the bus clock,…
DDR2-400 = 100MHz memory clock, 200MHz bus clock, 533mil DT/sec, peak transfer rate of 4266MB/s
DDR2-533 = 133MHz memory clock, 266MHz bus clock, 533mil DT/sec, peak transfer rate of 4266MB/s
DDR2-667 = 166MHz memory clock, 333MHz bus clock, 667mil DT/sec, peak transfer rate of 5333MB/s
DDR2-800 = 200MHz memory clock, 400MHz bus clock, 800mil DT/sec, peak transfer rate of 6400MB/s

easier way is just to divide RAM speed by 2 (DDR2-800 / 2 = 400 )

cpu and ram bus should be in sync to avoid wait states
so, if you have a Penryn cpu (333Mhz), you will need DDR2-667 (333MHz) minimum
anything below that, RAM will be a bottleneck.

thanks doom. good knowledge to have. i wish i knew that a few years ago. i usually just bought the average speed ram at the time.

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