Windows 7 Updates and Internet
Something I’ve noticed on my 64 bit Windows 7 Home Premium lap top. Any time there is a windows update ready to install upon shut down it will not let me connect to the internet until I install the update. This is REALLY annoying. I’ve started poking around to see if there is a solution to this, has anyone else had this issue? Seems like some bullshit security "fix" because stupid people cant keep their windows machines virus free.
Just so I get this right.
You download the updates and it starts the first part of the install process. Then you get disconnected from the network until you restart and let the update finish installing?
If that is what you mean, I’ve never seen this and have always stayed online with both my desktop with 7 Pro and laptop with Home Premium.
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Just so I get this right.
You download the updates and it starts the first part of the install process. Then you get disconnected from the network until you restart and let the update finish installing? If that is what you mean, I’ve never seen this and have always stayed online with both my desktop with 7 Pro and laptop with Home Premium. |
The only exception I can think of is when it is updating the LAN drivers.
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Just so I get this right.
You download the updates and it starts the first part of the install process. Then you get disconnected from the network until you restart and let the update finish installing? If that is what you mean, I’ve never seen this and have always stayed online with both my desktop with 7 Pro and laptop with Home Premium. |
I just keep my auto updates on. Once it downloads it wants to start the install process upon shut down. Since I rarely shutdown my computer, after a few days it will randomly kill my internet access until I shutdown and install. I’m not entirely sure, but it seems to happen after the computer goes into sleep mode from closing the lap top. It simply will not accept an IP address from the DNS server. Wireless or plugged in.
It’s a Lenovo G550, if that matters. It’s not a huge deal, just an oddity that has happened at least 3 times.
Well when Windows updates and it needs to restart it’ll popup a notice telling you it needs to restart and gives you the option to postpone that for up to about 1 hour or so, the default being 10mins, and then it’ll keep nagging/reminding you until you do it.
So how long after you get the updates installed are you taking until you finally get around to restarting?
If you’re taking a long time and this issue you’re having is a "feature" then I don’t blame MS for doing it.
I never shut down or restart my systems either if I don’t have to. But I do restart as soon as I can for updates to get them in place…and to get rid of the nag.
Updates are deployed once a month (and if any are deployed in between, then it’s for a good reason). You can just restart.
I remember CodeX once bragging about how he hasn’t shut down his machine running a beta copy of Windows 7 in over 9000 years. He was trying to impress everyone with his uptime, but really he just looked like a moron. (lol @ uptime on a non-server home Windows machine)
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Well when Windows updates and it needs to restart it’ll popup a notice telling you it needs to restart and gives you the option to postpone that for up to about 1 hour or so, the default being 10mins, and then it’ll keep nagging/reminding you until you do it.
So how long after you get the updates installed are you taking until you finally get around to restarting? If you’re taking a long time and this issue you’re having is a "feature" then I don’t blame MS for doing it. I never shut down or restart my systems either if I don’t have to. But I do restart as soon as I can for updates to get them in place…and to get rid of the nag. |
Sometimes, yes. Other times, for non critical updates it will just wait until your next shut down.
When it is a critical update that has already installed and requires a restart I do. I’m talking about the updates that begin installation upon initiation of a shutdown.
True. I just dont like waiting for my computer to POST and all my drivers and start up programs to load. It’s nice to be able to open my laptop and with in seconds resume exactly where I left off.
Hmmm, happened again today. Figured out that it is setting my locally administrated MAC address to 000000000000. WTF is this noise. Had a similar issue on an XP machine not too long ago. GRRR WINDOWSSSSZZZZZ
The locally administrated MAC address of all 0’s is a red herring. It is saying, ‘use my burned in address on my LAN card as the correct address’.
Read about it here:
I do NOT recomend playing with the MAC address. It is a pointless endevour.
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You are not doing something weird like using the same Mac address across multiple machines are you? Cause that would cause HUGE networking problems.
This is a REALLY common thing for Linux users to brag about. In the Linux world if you do an update to something you shut that item down (can’t think of what it is called, I am not a Linux guy) and restart that exact specific thing.
Lets say an update to the GUI was put out. Well you would issue the update, then shut the gui down (you would loose your screen for a second) then the gui would reload with the update in place. While this is happening none of the other processes would be disturbed. Your hard drive would continue working, the backup you were running would run unimpeded, clock, etc. Nearly every process on Linux can be shut down and restarted like this.
Windows does not deal with this sort of thing well at all. Sure you can shut down and restart services, but as soon as you start to deal with things that are security related and the like the OS demands to be restarted. Everything in Windows is tied together like that.
I didn’t read the specific thread that you are referring to. But Codex was trying to make one of two points.
1. I don’t care about security. Microsoft updates can suck my balls.
or
2. I am such a great administrater that I have figured out exactly what Windows needs to run. Most patches are for things that are not running so I don’t need to reboot. The ones that are running, I am so good at screwing around that I can stop and reload them without a system or blue screen crash.
Number 2 is pretty impressive. I am not that good. I am like everyone else here. I just reboot and don’t worry about it.
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The locally administrated MAC address of all 0’s is a red herring. It is saying, ‘use my burned in address on my LAN card as the correct address’.
Read about it here:
I do NOT recomend playing with the MAC address. It is a pointless endevour. |
I’m not sure if this is correct. While I realize the difference between locally administered and the hardware MAC, my IP config is showing a physical address of all zeros for whatever reason. Even with my locally administered set to "none". Where as previously this was not the case (do a cmd, IPconfig/all, get my NIC MAC address). I changed my locally administered and it started working again
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This is a REALLY common thing for Linux users to brag about. In the Linux world if you do an update to something you shut that item down (can’t think of what it is called, I am not a Linux guy) and restart that exact specific thing.
Lets say an update to the GUI was put out. Well you would issue the update, then shut the gui down (you would loose your screen for a second) then the gui would reload with the update in place. While this is happening none of the other processes would be disturbed. Your hard drive would continue working, the backup you were running would run unimpeded, clock, etc. Nearly every process on Linux can be shut down and restarted like this. |
That’s why I said, "non-server home Windows machine." I’m well aware that Linux nerds use uptime to compensate for their millimeter peters. Really, the only scenario in which that matters is if you’re running a server. The uptime on one of my router boxes, for example, was about four years before I took it down.
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Windows does not deal with this sort of thing well at all. Sure you can shut down and restart services, but as soon as you start to deal with things that are security related and the like the OS demands to be restarted. Everything in Windows is tied together like that.
I didn’t read the specific thread that you are referring to. But Codex was trying to make one of two points. Number 2 is pretty impressive. I am not that good. I am like everyone else here. I just reboot and don’t worry about it. |
He was going for #1. And again, that just makes him a moron.
As for #2, I am 100% positive that CodeX couldn’t tell you the difference between the GDR and QFE branches, let alone give you a breakdown of each of the files contained within all hotfixes coming from either of the branches.
K well it happened again, but I didn’t personally change the MAC address settings. It got changed back to default (no locally administered MAC) However, again with the windows updates and sleep mode.
I love windows 7 but this is fucking gay. OT sucks at IT for not solving my issue.
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